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Medical considerations

I’m not a doctor, but… I AM a very well spoken, studied and observant hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome patient with a lot of experience seeing doctors and reading about other people’s experiences of same too. And like many with hEDS, I also have MCAS and had mild POTS (a form of dysautonomia), which we find commonly co-morbid, and sometimes even more show-stopping at my worst.

I will summarize some of the key features and considerations we complain about the most in our support groups here, to help our visits go more smoothly. I’ve been observing upwards of 20,000 patients (albeit socially) daily online through my various online support groups – and we love to complain!

So ironically I’m probably privy to more patient “complaints” than any doctor living who isn’t also in the support groups, as we’re all willing and able to share more in our online groups than we can in your offices, unfortunately for both of us. So I’m “seeing” lots of patients daily, albeit just “socially”.

So I’ve read a lot, and will summarize the biggest issues & most common complaints and misunderstandings that I believe will help the most here. Thank you for your consideration. It will save BOTH of us a lot of time, grief and money!

Common Issues and Complaints

1) Assume we have Vascular Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome when we present in the ER until and unless proven or told otherwise. Better safe than sorry! This per The Ehlers-Danlos Society (The EDS, get it? formerly the EDNF), not just me, NB.

2) The Ehlers-Danlos Syndromes are as individual as fingerprints, and no two patients will present alike, even within the same family and type. Not all will be equally bendy, or even visibly so. Nor will have the same pain levels, or tolerance, nor reactions. (See following points for more on these issues.) Why? Who knows. I’m guessing it’s because some may have double alleles, vs single alleles, and epigenetics and several common comorbidities likely lend a role in this variation also, especially Sensory Processing Disorder which can swing hypo or hyper. It really presents on more of a spectrum much like autism. And, no kidding, Autism Spectrum Disorders are also very commonly comorbid.

3) We have paradoxic medication reactions – expect ANYTHING! And I truly mean anything. Not only do we NOT get much pain relief from the “caines” (Novocaine,  Lidocaine, etc.) and often need way more than the average patient because we process them out too quickly due to our baseline hyperadrenergia and various CYP450 defects, but we may react badly to any of the opioids, and some may do nothing at all for us.

Yes, frustrating for both of us, I promise! We don’t like it either. Be prepared to treat anaphylaxis of any level at any time, and please BELIEVE us when we tell you we are feeling funny or reacting (often making us seem anxious, which is common in early mild anaphylaxis), or not getting sufficient pain relief.

We are not drug seeking, I promise! We are all in way too much pain to become addicted – we almost never get high from opioids – we’re too afflicted. And because this condition is systemic, and lifelong/ongoing, we can be in nearly constant, relentless pain or re-injury at all times depending on our level of progression with this syndrome. (I was pretty mild and clearly sub-clinical up until I “fell apart” head to toe in 2012 at age 45 myself e.g.) It’s just not visible to you, alas. (See next.)

4) Our pain causes rarely shows on any scans – x-rays, MRI’s, CT’s, etc. except in the grossest cases, but it is still very very real. (We’ve usually been in serious agony for a while before something finally becomes visible, if ever). We can feel loads of pain from micro-tears, strains, partial subluxations (too small to detect but EXTREMELY painful for some of us), and of course full dislocations and the resulting neuralgias, neuropathies, radiculopathies and the very common comorbid (or misdiagnosed) fibromyalgia.


Many of us seem prone to CRPS and even arachnoiditis (along with springing CSF leaks), sadly too I’ve noticed. Please believe us when we say we are still hurting, for what seems like no apparent reason. That said, a handful of lucky EDS patients like The Rubber Boy do actually have or exhibit low pain sensation, and dislocate easily and almost painlessly, lending to the confusion: not all will present as described. (Some can pop joints in and out at will, almost like a game – they shouldn’t do this, however – at some point the joint will stop going back in, with no warning! Others of us are in agony at the slightest pressure.)

Also, do NOT force us to show how far we can bend – I’ve seen more patients be permanently injured this way than I can count! Yet they are not believed, sigh. (Thanks for reading and getting up to date here! Remember, first do no harm?) And yes, it can hurt, very very badly. (I personally still injure in my sleep, and hurt from the minute I wake up until I fall asleep again.) Further, contrary to what you’ve been told in med school:

5) Not all of us are very flexible or “bendy”, though we are still hypermobile. (Yes, there’s a difference.) Some, like Dr. Jaime Bravo in Chile who also has EDS himself, never were bendy. Hypermobility does not equal bendiness! (You all were probably only told about the grossest signs of the rarest types, right? The low-hanging diagnostic fruit, so to speak.) I for one, am now very stiff, down to a lowly 2 on the Beighton 9 pt Hypermobiltiy scale at almost 48 y.o. from a prior super bendy 9 at age 20 as are many colleagues. (I could have worked for Cirque du Soleil as a child, seriously.) Yes, contrary to what you were taught in med school we know.  This is why it takes so long for us to get diagnosed, due to this myth continuing to be perpetuated, sigh. [Update Feb 2017: I still assert this even in light of the new nosology coming out March 15th, 2017 that claims otherwise.]

But, I still injure quite easily, that is, I can still sublux, tear or dislocate quite easily. My joints start to go out really easily, but never get far enough to be “seen” or believed, leaving me in agony for no visible reason to you. We’re those folks who get stiff from sitting too long, right. My muscles are oversized, stiff and knotty from making up for all my weak tendons and ligaments all these years, and I’m also arthritic now. OA is almost a given, if not also the secondary autoimmune forms like RA, AS etc.

Please read about how to properly diagnose us despite this here. Read closely and thoroughly!) Heads up this may change in 2017 after the nosology is updated.

6) Anaphylaxis comes in grades, and not all is throat-closing! Further, while we may not present at the traditionally understood and accepted level you have come to understand is full anaphylaxis, or not as quickly as you expect, we can and may tip over into that level (the highest grade on whatever chart you use) at any time just from stress, vibration, hot or cold, bright lights, sounds, foods, medications etc. And… thanks to the crazy-making commonly comorbid but still poorly known and rarely recognized Mast Cell Activation Disorders (MCAD) of any type (either Mastocytosis or the new and barely known MCAS ), we can react with anaphylaxis to almost ANY SUBSTANCE!


Yes, including non-protein substances like perfumes, dyes, fluoride, chlorine and yes, in one case I know, even the glucose in an IV infusion, no kidding! Yes, this is truly crazy-making and hard to believe, I understand. Seriously expect ANYTHING with us, as I stated at the top. I now believe a lot of MCAD is currently diagnosed as Multiple Chemical Sensitivity in fibromyalgia patients, but this is just my unverified theory again. And, per The Mastocytosis Society, patients on beta-blockers need a shot of glucagon along with any shot of Epi. (Patients who are NOT on beta-blockers do NOT need a shot of glucagon along with their Epi). You can consult The Medical Advisory Board of TMS for additional help in a crisis if needed:

7) Anaphylaxis often presents like an anxiety attack, but it is not! Anaphylaxis can cause feelings of deep anxiety and impending doom in patients, and the accompanying signs and symptoms of lower-level or slowly building anaphylaxis will be mistaken for anxiety often until it’s too late. A low level reaction can suddenly “tip over” to full on “traditional” Epi-pen warranting Ana at any time. Please trust us when we present in your ER saying “I’m having a reaction, can I please have an Epi shot?” or ask for IV saline solution. At the very least, please be willing to monitor us until the episode has passed, with Epi handy. While we do all try to carry and use our own Epi pens properly as much as possible (and usually not often enough), sometimes circumstances conspire to leave us short-handed.

Further, we can react strongly (from hyperadrenergia) to the Epi shots, and so we like to be in an ER where our symptoms can be better managed whenever possible. And, many don’t even realize they are having anaphylaxis yet, or know why they feel sick and anxious if they haven’t become acquainted with EDS and MCAD yet. You or your nurses may be the ones to help ferret this out! I’m now increasingly convinced that a majority of cases that present to the ER with some cardiac involvement or angina and get diagnosed as “just anxiety” were low level anphylactic events that just aren’t being recognized as such yet, but that’s just my opinion.

Flushing of child cheeks
Flushing of child cheeks

Common signs of MCAD reactions include easy flushing red of the mantle (upper neck, face and ears), hives, dermatographia during reactions, heat and other “rashes”, itching, terrible headache from IH, frequent urination, hydrocephalus, sudden nausea or diarrhea and sudden mood swings, irritability, emotional outbursts and temper flares. (We call this the “histameanies” btw.)

8) We often just need to rehydrate with an IV saline infusion due to our POTS or MCAD. We are prone to low blood volume from several causes including hypovolemia (stretchy bladders lend to urinating more than we take in), third-spacing from MCAD causing blood vessels to dialate and our plasma to flow out into our tissues (shown as bloating or angio-edema almost anywhere, including the lips and eyes). Again, it helps if you just believe us on this one -it’ll be one of the cheapest “fixes” you’ll ever give us.

We also often have electrolyte imbalances from unknown reasons, but especially salt and potassium. Not all patients know this yet, so you may be the ones to help us figure that out. (Update Feb 2016: The RCCX Theory may end up explaining this latter imbalance, due to the CYP21A2 gene mutation lending to hydroxylase 21 being easily overwhelmed. Think “CAH light”.)

9) We often have very young, youthful looking and soft facial skin, which combined with a rosy mast cell flush often makes us look the picture of health! Combine this with some hyper-musculature in some of us, and no wonder you have trouble believing we “feel old inside” as I told my doctor over ten years ago. That same skin may likely need extra sutures or staples or better yet, glue, and extra-long healing time after surgeries, NB. Why this is so, I will never understand! But it is the bane of our existence because it is so misleading.

We never look our age except to the trained eye, who recognizes pain and inflammation, and are often hard-charging, driven, sometimes narcissistic over-achievers. So our complaints once again do not seem to match our appearance or prior history. But it only adds to the misunderstanding and delay in proper diagnosis and treatment for most of us who aren’t born to a diagnosed parent. This is also why it takes 10 years on average to get diagnosed still. It took me over 25. Surely we can do better!

10) The Ehlers-Danlos Syndromes as a whole are not rare, just rarely diagnosed!  Some leading experts now say hypermobile type may run as high as 2% of the population, or 1 in 50 people – far from rare! (Castori et al, 2012). And comorbid MCAD is now being cited to run as high as 14-17% by one leading expert, no kidding! It just looks like/drives many other issues you already treat like anemia, and/or polycythemia, GERD, high BP, refractory high cholesterol, and much more. See book “Never Bet Against Occam” by Afrin, L, MD 2016.

But because this is still so poorly known yet, we may have “Medical PTSD” from so many bad prior visits with disbelieving, poorly informed and sometimes very narcissistic doctors before you as we’ve struggled to be heard and taken seriously and believed. I apologize in advance for any and all patients who “lose it on you” because of this, as that is not acceptable behavior, no. It is not fair or right for us to take out our frustrations on our new doctors, no.

But hopefully the above gives you some insight into where our frustrations are stemming from, and be able to avoid triggering us further. We just need you all to listen a bit more, and be more dialectic, allowing for other possibilities than what all you were told in medical school, which by definition is outdated the minute you graduate alas. My sympathies! Your education is never-ending accordingly, but then, you knew this going in hopefully!


Thank you so much for your consideration of the above and for your understanding and patience! We are complex and fragile, but manageable with a little understanding on both sides. Thanks for hanging in here with us, and helping us to make it through another day with one of the most painful, debilitating, complex and frustrating systemic disorders I could ever possibly imagine. (I swear, I never imagined I’d be applying my technical pattern-seeking database brain to the medical field).

But as someone once said, truth is stranger than fiction, and I couldn’t begin to make all this up, I promise. (Once upon a time all I cared about was normalizing databases and making shiny applications, really!) Hopefully this will help us all to get on the same “page” of the same “hymnal” sooner. Together, we can handle this lousy condition. Thanks again and good luck!

Jan Groh, February 2015 (updated Feb 2017)

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