Seeking Zebras of Color
I don’t know how this doesn’t get more press or notice, but it’s become increasingly and glaringly obvious to me that all of the awareness raising around EDS, MCAD and “friends” (what I call the Chronic Constellation here) is almost exclusively being done by white people. And mostly women. Or at least that I’m aware of.
The latter I can see for somewhat obvious reasons to anyone who spends much time in the support groups: for whatever reasons, including hormones panels, etc., women are noticeably more hypermobile on average than males and so are easier to spot. (Dr. Tinkle mentions that progesterone makes you more lax in his book on Hypermobility.) We also seem to have more issues with our tissues possibly from that same hormone panel differences lending to increased MCAD (both female hormones are MCAD triggers it turns out).
I may just be missing some pockets of blogs and voices I might find easily with a little searching. Please gently apprise me of same if so. But in general, most of the Tweeting and Facebook posting I see is pre-dominantly white, including my own.
And to my knowledge, none of these diseases discriminates across races. And I never see any pictures of black people in the groups or on Twitter or in the medical texts. Just white people. So I thought why not try signal boosting with my platform. But I just need some voices to boost. Please email me to that end at:
Or contact me via my contact form here. I will not sell/spam your email in anyway.
I will readily admit, it’s super easy to see a bright red flush in my lily white face and neck than perhaps in a black person’s, but that doesn’t mean they don’t experience any. Nor scarring, or dislocations or bendiness, or fibromyalgia or pain.
I have a sneaking suspicion that as hard as I have found it to be to get recognized, validated and diagnosed as a white, cis-gendered hetero-normative person, it’s only that much harder for everyone else likely due to racism and bigotry in medicine ON TOP of the usual medical gaslighting we all experience to some extent based on so much misinformation still. At least in the western world that I’m aware of.
So I’d like to solicit some voices of color to write me and share their experience, and perhaps provide a guest post or two on my blog. I want to signal boost your experience and increase awareness in the black community at a minimum, and other ethnicities and races worldwide.
Hakim, Keer and Grahame state in their 2010 tome:
“There is wide variation in the prevalence of JHM [joint hypermobility] in the literature depending on the populations explored. It is three times more common in females than in males, of higher prevalence in Asian and African races than Caucasians, and diminishes with age. Generalized or polyarticular hypermobility may be present in 10-30% of males and 20-40% of females in adolescence and young adulthood (Hakim and Grahame 2003a).”
From Hypermobility, Fibromyalgia and Chronic Pain, 2010. They go on to say further:
“There has been no study specifically addressing the prevalence of JHS. One study of JHM in a New Zealand Maori and Caucasian population also included an assessment of the JHS phenotype; from this a prevalence of 0.75% could be calculated (Klemp et al 2002).”
I’m pretty sure these diseases don’t discriminate, and can be found world wide. Again, we’re just mostly hearing from English and North American patients like myself to date. I’ve seen a few posts from France, and was finally followed by a Spanish organization on Twitter whom I retweet often. But not much else.
I admit, I can only read the Latin and Cyrillic alphabets, limiting me there. But even here in the US, I almost never see zebras of color posting. And I think that’s a shame, as I’m quite sure they are just as affected if not more so, and could use some proper recognition.
Just like how the autism community is asking us to post “nothing about us without us”, I realized Black, Latino and other marginalized communities may be feeling the same way. I have added as many international organizations as I could find on my support page here.
My intentions are pure, and my sentiment genuine. I’m seeking to signal boost, not “Jansplain”, smile. Let me know what else I and my privileged colleagues can do to improve on this situation, thanks.
To all our health,
Jandroid 2.0
Your observation is an important step in furthering the cause of helping those afflicted with musculoskeletal issues involving hypermobility. I’ve wondered the same thing, especially as I frequently visit a discussion board for people with my disorder, Ehlers Danlos Syndrome hypermobile form. I too have rarely seen a photo of any member not “white,” either. To look at me, you’d think I was the same, yet I’m part Blackfoot Indian.
From my perspective, one of my geneticists made a comment that makes me sad for the entire EDS community and applies here. An older man at the University of Michigan who diagnosed me said he was certain one of the most famous “black” performers in modern history had the disorder but failed to reveal it to the public. Upon hearing it, I agreed.
Here are the clues: This talented singer was supremely flexible in his mesmerizing onstage dancing, was known for multiple health problems and was a pain drug addict, which ultimately killed him. So who was this potential ambassador for EDS that dropped the ball in educating all the races on hypermobility disorders, including presumably his own?
Michael Jackson.
I agree, and think it’s such a tragedy his EDS is still not spoken of much even posthumously. His struggle was real. What a beautiful artist. So fluid.
Considering that EDS is a genetic disorder it would actually be surprising if there was a great deal of diversity. Many genetic disorders occur primarily in one race or a handful of races due to the founder effect. EDS like other disorders can arise from a spontaneous genetic mutation and that is an explanation as why hEDS is sometimes seen in other races. Another reason like in the example of Michael Jackson possible having EDS is that there are almost no African Americans without European ancestors.
Kassiane Asasumasu is not white.
Thank you – I had to google to see who that was, but a quick search showed me they are the author of Radical Neurodivergence Speaking ftw thanks:
https://timetolisten.blogspot.com/
Hello my name is Erika and I feel the same way. A lot of times my responses go unanswered and I feel like a minority in a minority community. That is what lead me to your blog. I am seeking people with my skin color to talk to about EDS.
Thanks for sharing your experience Erika. I’m sorry you feel so isolated. This is what I hope to remedy somehow, some day. Any ideas on the best way to go about this? I wonder if there are any groups on Facebook for same? (I admit I haven’t looked yet – silly me.) If not, maybe we could start one? (I know Facebook is not everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s okay if not.)
Meanwhile, I’m still seeking someone willing to do a guest post on the experience of living with a connective tissue disorder (diagnosed or not) as a person of color. Shoot me an email if you’re interested or know someone who might be. I’m sure there are likely even more barriers, and dismissal than I experienced. Isolation doesn’t help!
Hi Erika – If you’re still interested in connecting then please reach out. The weight of being marginalized-marginalized-marginalized is dizzying and nauseating. Sharing with those going through the same would be much appreciated.
You are not alone. I feel the exact same way as a woman of color.
Hi Erika and Jes! I’m a female African American/white person diagnosed with EDS (and a gene variant of “unknown significance”) who has suffered a decade of misdiagnosis and misdirection. I guess I should say firstly, it’s great to meet any of my fellow EDs people and especially those that can relate to my experience on so many levels! I have indeed experienced the multi-level discrimination associated with having multiple rare diseases, being black and female. I’m currently waiting for a thyroid cancer biopsy result that was delayed at least 6 mos because none of my Doctors took my complaints seriously. I would love to speak with you!
So glad to see some of you connecting here on my blog! I hope you can continue to do so. I’m so sorry our western society pays so little attention to marginalized groups. I do have one person supposedly writing a guest post for me. Toes crossed she comes through! Meanwhile, others are welcome to still reach out too.
Thanks, Jandroid! Thank you for creating this site, telling your story, sharing the fruits of all of that hardcore research you do and most of all bringing us together!
My pleasure! xo <3
Ive been wondering if being african american has anything to do with being bendy. i ask peers if they can do so said party trick and most times they can. I am glad i found this blog
I read that more than 65% of African-Americans are hypermobile. However, as in the regular population, you have to be evaluated to see if your JHS is actually EDS.
Interesting statistic. And yes, hypermobility by itself does not equal EDS or HSD. (HSD superceded the old dxes of HMS, JHS, and my fav: BJHS in 2017 fyi.) Cheers.
Just came across this and I agree. My questions, suggestions, requests for tips are mostly ignored and I’m considering just leaving the group I’m in at this point. It’s becoming increasingly obvious I’m one of the few active black members. I started a spoonie lifestyle blog of sorts, but if anyone ever started a Zebras of Color group I’d be interest in joining. I’m newly diagnosed as of this summer : hEDS, POTS, GP.
Hi Hachi, thanks so much for responding. As a white women (myself), I don’t feel qualified to lead such a group, but I too have not seen any such groups at all on Facebook – or elsewhere. It’s really disappointing! (I just did a quick search – and I seem to be the only person even mentioning anything.)
Congrats on your recent diagnoses – no small feat! Please email me at info@ohtwist.com if you would like to consider starting a group together. I’m happy to provide administrative/organizational support, but super keen that BIPOC people lead it… this is our whole problem right now: white people speaking over and for POC. I don’t want to perpetuate that! Thanks for reaching out. – Jan
PS Please feel free to join my Oh TWIST group on Facebook – not exclusively BIPOC, but, very supportive and help me get the party started! Here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/OHTWISTandHSD/
Hi All,
I came across this site while doing a Google search. I am part of a women’s group that meets monthly to discuss different health topics as requested by our guests, who are primarily women of color. We have been asked to do one on Connective Tissue Disorders, including EDS. We are looking for a woman of color to share her personal experience in living and thriving with EDS. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me at MyMSK2020@gmail.com. Thank you for creating this thread. I hope you all continue it so that I can share it with others as a resource.
Thank you so much for this comment Shanae, as I was literally toying with taking this post down. I have had several white women indicate that I’m “overstepping my bounds”. When I want nothing more than to do exactly the opposite: I’m seeking BIPOC voices to boost~! I don’t know your geographical location – which may be a moot point during The Age of Zoom (thanks COVID) but, I do know of one Black woman with EDS in Boston I could connect you with. I’ll email you offline in case that’s helpful. Thanks again! Stay safe out there.
You are definitely not overstepping your bounds. It’s called being an Ally. Thank you for not removing this thread. I appreciate all of your comments, and your willingness to locate people of color to share experiences. I have not been diagnosed. I’ve been told that I am hypermobile after seeing a rheumatologist for autoimmunity evaluation due to chronic pain. I’m waiting for an appointment and in the meantime I’m learning. It didn’t take long to notice that this is a predominantly a white space. I’ve adapted to white spaces for obvious reasons, but I was wondering as well …Where are We?
Thank you Devona, I appreciate your support of my truly unselfish goal: to boost Black and other marginalized voices in the EDS space. I was told that asking for people’s stories was “asking for unpaid labor”. I get it but…how can I better encourage Black and other voices to join the space? (When I can’t afford to pay anyone as I’m not even making my own ends meet?) EDS (still) So White, sigh. (In 2022.) #EDSSoWhite
Thank you for not removing this post! We are here. I am on a few FB groups for EDS and MCAS and keep a low profile. The health challenges I struggle with are similar but it is like I have to fight exponentially more to get “believed”. My human experience has been politicized and after seeing how some people lash out for non-politicized topics . . . well . . . no thanks. I don’t think of it as “asking for unpaid labor” it is a social exchange. You see something, are bringing attention to it and are trying to influence change. That is the best that any of us can do! Be the positive change in our social circles and influence positive change in those in proximity to us. Reading this, along with the replies, has been encouraging.
Thank you Takeya, for seeing my post in the spirit with which it was posted – a genuine effort to try to find and boost Black and all other non-white voices in this space! I was told asking people to share their stories was asking them for unpaid labor (if I wasn’t paying for them), so… that’s why I stopped. (I’m despreately poor myself and can’t pay anyone, sorry.) But doggone it, we really need to somehow remedy this. And with more than tokenizing efforts like a few photos of Black people on an otherwise white-centric site. So thank you for speaking up here at least! You are definitely not alone. And I’m sorry the journey is so much harder for all but white people the world over. But especially in the west. (Forgive my verbal clumsiness too, I’m also being told BIPOC is not PC now, and I literally can’t name all other possible ethnicities the world over, so… help?)
I have EDS veds and I am black there’s not many in this world that they know of. Born in 1970 with five brothers two sisters no one else in my family has it born with two dislocated hips and shoulders. As the years went on my skin began to pop open and bleed I begin to fall all the time by knees arms shoulders fingers wrists all popping out of place. They had no name for it. Had to finish school at home never had a chance at real life. Which I called running around with friends jumping rope riding bikes and Exedra couldn’t happen. Now that I know at 52 it’s easier for my bones to pop I’ve had open heart surgery which almost killed me. I’ve had any replacement filters to my lungs I’ve had over 50 block clocks. I’ve had five hematomas. Multiple surgeries to hand on an Exedra. I don’t even know how I’m still here but I thank God for every day that he wakes me. I am strong willed and ready for whatever life throws at me. But what I’ve learned in my life is to stay back never Jump Ahead relax. If anyone cares to talk to me you can always hit me up at my email
Thank you so much for responding, Frederika, I so appreciate hearing your hard won experience. With that history, it’s a miracle you’re still alive! I have a feeling there are more Black EDSers than you think, simply because of racial medical bias in the western system. You know, how Black pain is dismissed and ignored, or many lack access to proper medical care, and the rest of the racial biases built into our systems.
Like, even white people have a lot of trouble getting EDS diagnosed. It’s not doubt even harder for Black people for all the reasons mentioned and more. (All of the diagnostic criteria and literature only show white people, the diagnostic criteria are based on a thin white marfanoid woman model, more.)
Thank you for speaking up. I may well reach out by email! Jan
Yay, I’m so happy to see fellow EDSer and journalist Karina Sturm uncovering even more stories from Black people and more over at EDS Awareness now. Here’s another one in January 2023:
https://www.chronicpainpartners.com/advocate-nthabeleng-ramoeli-on-her-eds-journey-eds-care-in-lesotho-and-why-she-established-an-ngo-to-help-all-rare-disease-patients/
I’m black and Cherokee. I am a vEDS, with hypermobility, and at a young age I was forced into a human trafficking ring, then received a bone marrow transplant, before being put up for adoption. Can’t get more messed up than me. Let’s talk. I need to share my story.
Oh my gosh yes, please do share it! I see you emailed me also. I will be in touch! What a trial you’ve had… oof! Honored to hear from you, TY!